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I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
This was among knives in a lot that I won at an auction in NE Ohio and I believe that it is one of those evil Chinese knock off of the AKC. Just wanting some verification. Thank you.
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Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
Your photo is blurry on my phone. Here’s a photo of the genuine AKC stamp.
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Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
Knock off in my opinion Markco.
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Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
I am having a hard time down loading the pictures. If I could get the rest of the pictures so that you could see the whole knife and two of the others that were in the lot. There were a couple of good knives, there was a cheaper on from Frank Beltrame in the lot and that was the one that I was actually going for but just as I walked out of the auction house door someone stopped me and bought the Beltrame and another knife. If I can get better pictures up I will post them. Thank you for your in put.
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Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
there is a YouTube video on identifying AKC knockoffs.
1. the little dot in the "A" should be a visible @ with a "C" copyrite symbol.
But on Chinese knives it appears to be a "Dot".
2. the centerline of the blade grind , the bevels or flat areas,
should meet up exactly, perfectly symmetrical (there ARE exceptions). . .
But generally, one can often see on Chinese knives,
the blade bevel line is not on center. and tends to be larger /wider
on the cutting edge side.
3. the actual cutting edge on an Italian is flat and true right to the tang.
But on a Chinese knife the edge often has an organic flow, or "pot belly".
4, the handle scales on a Chinese clone are "chunkier" and squared off.
while an Italian fell like all the "excess weight" has been removed.
5. the kickspring inside should be flat, and have a polished surface.
But on many clones a round wire rod spring is inserted.
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Your photo is small if your are showing the logo, it's hard to see.
and you should show several views
Having the Chinese copy is not a bad thing if you paid the discount price.
The Chinese Clone is a fair working knife.
But, the blade may be made from what they call "food grade stainless.
Which is mild steel blended with LOTS of nickel and a bit of chromium .
Which makes it shiny, and tough, and finished parts can be bent a bit,
(like when one size frypan handle are riveted to 2 or 3 different diameter frypans.)
A good thing when used in cookware. . .but it won't hold an edge.
Chinese blades are "work hardened" when new, and have a factory edge.
But you can hone off the hard surface leaving a soft under-metal that
will not keep an edge.
Italian cutlers use a stainless that has steel recipe that makes the blade
a bit harder
The worst thing about a Chinese clone is not the knife or knife cost.
It is the fact they blatantly fake Logos to trick people.
If they used their own unique Tang stamp Logo, like a dragon or "calligraphy chop"
then the knives would be more accepted.
Some people have said Chinese production has improved over the last decade.
And that is true. . . But they do not honor copyrite law. . .
because they know you have to sue them in China,
and no Westerner will convince a Chinese Judge the clone is not different enough
to be exempt from the copyrite.
test edit of post at 7:06am 08-12-2022
Link to Youtube video about identifying AKC clones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJpn8wCDtoc
1. the little dot in the "A" should be a visible @ with a "C" copyrite symbol.
But on Chinese knives it appears to be a "Dot".
2. the centerline of the blade grind , the bevels or flat areas,
should meet up exactly, perfectly symmetrical (there ARE exceptions). . .
But generally, one can often see on Chinese knives,
the blade bevel line is not on center. and tends to be larger /wider
on the cutting edge side.
3. the actual cutting edge on an Italian is flat and true right to the tang.
But on a Chinese knife the edge often has an organic flow, or "pot belly".
4, the handle scales on a Chinese clone are "chunkier" and squared off.
while an Italian fell like all the "excess weight" has been removed.
5. the kickspring inside should be flat, and have a polished surface.
But on many clones a round wire rod spring is inserted.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Your photo is small if your are showing the logo, it's hard to see.
and you should show several views
Having the Chinese copy is not a bad thing if you paid the discount price.
The Chinese Clone is a fair working knife.
But, the blade may be made from what they call "food grade stainless.
Which is mild steel blended with LOTS of nickel and a bit of chromium .
Which makes it shiny, and tough, and finished parts can be bent a bit,
(like when one size frypan handle are riveted to 2 or 3 different diameter frypans.)
A good thing when used in cookware. . .but it won't hold an edge.
Chinese blades are "work hardened" when new, and have a factory edge.
But you can hone off the hard surface leaving a soft under-metal that
will not keep an edge.
Italian cutlers use a stainless that has steel recipe that makes the blade
a bit harder
The worst thing about a Chinese clone is not the knife or knife cost.
It is the fact they blatantly fake Logos to trick people.
If they used their own unique Tang stamp Logo, like a dragon or "calligraphy chop"
then the knives would be more accepted.
Some people have said Chinese production has improved over the last decade.
And that is true. . . But they do not honor copyrite law. . .
because they know you have to sue them in China,
and no Westerner will convince a Chinese Judge the clone is not different enough
to be exempt from the copyrite.
test edit of post at 7:06am 08-12-2022
Link to Youtube video about identifying AKC clones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJpn8wCDtoc
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Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
Look at the knife, not the markings.
Anything can be marked any way.
Anything can be marked any way.
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Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
Managed to get a couple more pictures of the knife along with some of the others that were in the same lot and may add to why I believe it to be Chinese knock off. Nice stag on the one and they all work good but really don't look like Italian quality to me and no brass liners on any of them. Actually they all look pretty much the same other than the blades. Not sure if I really like the "Damascus" Believe it to be perhaps laser etched, maybe? Any thoughts? And thank you for all the other comments. This was the first time that I ever ended up with something with the AKC logo on it that I questioned.
Thank you
By the way, I know this is the wrong place to sell but since I'm already here, if anyone has any interest in any of these I would entertain offers.
Thank you
By the way, I know this is the wrong place to sell but since I'm already here, if anyone has any interest in any of these I would entertain offers.
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Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
They're Chinese. They sell between $20 and $40 on many Chinese sites. They counterfeit many manufacturers ie Microtech, Buck, Benchmade etc. BladeHQ and Gunbroker sellers sell to unsuspecting poor souls for $100 or more.
Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
Nice Barlow. . .needs a lanyard bail loop.
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As fire as "normal" retail price goes, that was about what I was thinking. They are alright knives, nothing really wrong with them just not made out of real quality material. Looking at the liners is a dead give away that they aren't high quality Italian knives and the one with the clear scales makes it look pretty cheap.
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Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
If ya like it and want to attempt to add a bail to it I am sure that we could work out something that you would be pleased with. lol....seriously
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Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
That's Okay . . . Just talking. . . .
Before I avidly collected automatics. I had my Late Father's Barlow Collection.
He had over 100 flintlock firearms, and several dozen Barlows for the last century.
Russell's with the arrow bolster, Ulsters with the spade blade and wood scales.
Boker Tree-Brand with the tree emblem on the bolster. . .
I'm pretty sure some are 1820's. . . I doubt any are earlier.
So as a pre-teen, I favored what My Father favored. . .and I started buying my own.
From the dyed Bone Case Barlow, to the "Kamp-King" shell-wrap Japan.
So he had a few Barlows in the workbench drawers that had home-made bails.
One of which became my childhood treasure. . . and is Now in my private Momento Breifcase.
I still compulsively lust after them, But have found I mostly have a copy of the common ones.
So I don't actively seek them out.
My most recent (similar) knife with a bail was a bone handle Electricians knife,
that replaced the one I lost from my Father's WW2 Signal Corps Army Lineman's dual pouch,
with a T13 pliers/wire-cutter.
Before I avidly collected automatics. I had my Late Father's Barlow Collection.
He had over 100 flintlock firearms, and several dozen Barlows for the last century.
Russell's with the arrow bolster, Ulsters with the spade blade and wood scales.
Boker Tree-Brand with the tree emblem on the bolster. . .
I'm pretty sure some are 1820's. . . I doubt any are earlier.
So as a pre-teen, I favored what My Father favored. . .and I started buying my own.
From the dyed Bone Case Barlow, to the "Kamp-King" shell-wrap Japan.
So he had a few Barlows in the workbench drawers that had home-made bails.
One of which became my childhood treasure. . . and is Now in my private Momento Breifcase.
I still compulsively lust after them, But have found I mostly have a copy of the common ones.
So I don't actively seek them out.
My most recent (similar) knife with a bail was a bone handle Electricians knife,
that replaced the one I lost from my Father's WW2 Signal Corps Army Lineman's dual pouch,
with a T13 pliers/wire-cutter.
Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
last gun show i sold a box of Beltrames to a dealer and sold a bunch of Asian for $25 each. moved out like 20 knifes. just kept my Latamas and around 10 Italian 13 inch,like guns they creep up on you and before you know it you have a 100 $15 g laid out in no time at all.
its still fun..RON K.
p.s. Asians are fine if you don't pay more than lets say $40 bucks{even less if possible}
its still fun..RON K.
p.s. Asians are fine if you don't pay more than lets say $40 bucks{even less if possible}
Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
I have a Chinese AKC with a stag handle similar to the third one in your picture. Mine doesn’t have a damascus blade. Quality wise, it’s okay. Has good action. If you want a cheap letter opener that resembles a higher end knife, you can’t go wrong.Markco the Mad otter wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:20 pm Managed to get a couple more pictures of the knife along with some of the others that were in the same lot and may add to why I believe it to be Chinese knock off. Nice stag on the one and they all work good but really don't look like Italian quality to me and no brass liners on any of them. Actually they all look pretty much the same other than the blades. Not sure if I really like the "Damascus" Believe it to be perhaps laser etched, maybe? Any thoughts? And thank you for all the other comments. This was the first time that I ever ended up with something with the AKC logo on it that I questioned.
Thank you
By the way, I know this is the wrong place to sell but since I'm already here, if anyone has any interest in any of these I would entertain offers.
I don’t know about the damascus on those. The ones I’ve seen appear to be real damascus and not etched. The Chinese have been getting better with doing damascus blades lately. These are likely a lower end 440 damascus and nothing really premium.
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Re: I believe that this is a Chinese knock off of an AKC
I think it was Damascus and the stag looked good but the stamp...
I sold it at least 6 months ago this thread is a year old so I don't really remember much else about those knives other than getting them at an auction near Lake Erie. There was one knife from Frank Beltrame in the lot that I won and someone bought that one knife for very close to what I bid for the whole lot. It was kind of goofy, guess he realized that he was about to win the auction for more than he wanted to pay for the only knife that he really wanted.
I sold it at least 6 months ago this thread is a year old so I don't really remember much else about those knives other than getting them at an auction near Lake Erie. There was one knife from Frank Beltrame in the lot that I won and someone bought that one knife for very close to what I bid for the whole lot. It was kind of goofy, guess he realized that he was about to win the auction for more than he wanted to pay for the only knife that he really wanted.
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