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I even made a miniture Kirpan for a Sikh I worked with But I resent the refusal of anyone who makes no attempt to even try and assimilate 
Did I miss the sign that says "Right-wing Knife Collectors Only"? And what red-herrings are you refering to? I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, nor am I left or right, and generally I’m not that concerned with politics, but I don’t mind throwing in my two cents occasionally. I don’t see calling out racist bullshit as being a left or a right thing, I see it as a common sense thing. When a bunch of innocent people get shot by a neo-Nazi scumbag and the first response is about how the “curry soaked smelly towel heads” probably brought it upon themselves, I have trouble letting that lie. I don’t begrudge him for expressing his opinion, I didn’t tell anyone to shut up or call anyone names, I only responded with my point of view, so what exactly is your problem?Fish; 2 weeks and something just isn't sitting right. A few post on knives and mostly politics of the progressive(regressive) sort. Are ya sure you missed the left-turn to huffingblow post? This site seems to get it's share of Veech/beasting crap. Your posts are a bit hard to figure when placed in chronological order. So far you have posted several red-herrings. If I'm off base correct me; I've missed it once or twice before. Greg
Mr. Fishman,Fishman wrote:So if someone went to the Highland Games and shot everyone wearing a kilt they would have been asking for it? If someone lobs a pipe bomb into the local Oktoberfest it's their fault for attracting animosity? Give me a break dude. The only person to blame is the cowardly, racist asshole who decided a high-note in his pathetic life as a failed skinhead musician would be shooting a bunch of innocent men, women, and children.
Comparing Sikhs to the Germans, French, Scottish, Irish, etc, is lame. All of those people look like us, share common ancestry with us, common religious traditions, etc. I'm not saying no one ever discriminated against these groups in America, but it was a hell of a lot easier for them to assimilate and go unnoticed. The reason the Sikhs attract animosity is not only because they have different religious practices, but also because they are brown. That will always attract the animosity of a select group of retards, and no amount of assimilation will ever fix that.
NO I said this was an atrocityFishman wrote:So if someone went to the Highland Games and shot everyone wearing a kilt they would have been asking for it?
[Did you fail to read that] 
So all Sikhs are greedy and arrogant, gotcha.Mr. Fishman,
You missed the point, completely. Nobody said it's their fault they got shot up, except they tend to generate animosity through their arrogance and greed towards Americans. I have no use for the French either. Go ahead, kiss their ass for all I care.
Best regards,
Bonz
I get the part where its an atrocity, just not assigning blame to the victims.NO I said this was an atrocity [Did you fail to read that]
The assertion was that people who dress differently, have different cultures, or different religious practices invite animosity. It isn't a red-herring. There are all kinds of subcultures in the United States with different styles of dress, speech, religious beliefs, etc, and no one ever shoots them up because they happen to share the same skin color. There is a reason this guy targeted Sikhs and not the Amish...both groups keep to themselves, both groups wear funny hats and facial hair, both groups refuse to assimilate into modern culture, but only one group isn't white. Debating about whether or not an avowed white supremacist gives a crap about whether or not people are assimilated is a red-herring. This guy doesn't want people to assimilate, he wants them out of the country or dead.This is an example of a red-herring in case it is a new concept for you my friend.
My point was not that no one would ever attack the Amish, my point was that in the case of this individual he was motivated by their race, not their headgear. Do you really think the lead singer of a neo-Nazi metal band and dedicated skinhead is going to think to himself "Well, those brown people over there are wearing collared shirts, so they're okay with me."?http://articles.cnn.com/2006-10-02/us/a ... v?_s=PM:US
It took the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and other mentioned in the opening of this thread many generations to become fully assimilated. There are entire geographic regions of the United States where people still speak with the remnants of a Scandinavian accent. Up until the early 1900's there were parts of the Midwest where people still only spoke German. Many of the industries we all enjoy, like brewing for example, is a direct result of people NOT finding it easy to assimilate and establishing localized businesses in areas where other immigrants spoke their language and understood their culture. These things take time, and there is no reason to believe that Mexicans, Asians, Sikhs, or anyone else won't follow suit. I went to college with Sikh kids who dressed, talked, and acted just like I did, with the exception that they wore weird hats. Their kids will probably be even more American in their lifestyle.It really isn't R/L. It's really assimilation/ or not. I don't give a damn where ya started from. I give a Major damn where you're headed. If you wanna be American- good for you and work for it. If you wanna be foreign: Fuck you